Jan Barentsen (Post)

Jan BARENTSEN (Post) (1620 – 1669) was Alex’s 11th Grandfather; one of 4,096 in this generation of the Shaw line.

Jan Barentsen was born 1620 in Netherlands. His father was Barent JANSEN. He married  Nieltje Von BREUCKELEN in Netherlands.   Jan died 1669 in Poestenkill, Rensselaer, NY

Nieltje Von Breuckelen was born Abt. 1624 in Harlingen, Friesland, Netherlands.   Nielty Von Brenckelen’s surname means simply, “of Brooklyn.”  Nieltje died in 1665 in New York.

Children of Jan and Nieltje:

Name Born Married Departed
1. Jan Jansen POSTMAEL 1655 in Harlingen, Harlingen, Friesland, Netherlands Jannetje LOZIER
1675 Haarlem, New Amsterdam.
1693 Kingston, NY.

Jan Barentsen was a Carpenter in New Netherlands and frequently had to sue his customers in the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens to receive his pay, which was variously in the form of beavers, wampum, peas, wheat and brandy.

23 Oct 1656 –  For example,  Jan Barentsen sued Smeeman for the sum of fl. 65.10. Smeeman acknowledged the debt and offered to pay, but said that Barentsen had “arrested his pease in the straw and therefore cannot thrash them to make money and pay the defendant.” The court decided, after having heard both parties, that Smeeman should have “eight days from this date” to pay the defendant. But the “arrest” was declared invalid “as the defendant is a burgher here.

Sources:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/o/l/John-O-Solis/GENE2-0053.html

http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=18724071&st=1

Scandinavian immigrants in New York, 1630-1674, John O. (John Oluf) Evjen.

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  5. Jess Meiningen's avatar Jess Meiningen says:

    Thank you for your index, and it is a good work and certainly a lot of hard work envolved. I have viewed hundreds of times over the years. Not being critical but maybe to just clear up and re-enter only if you wish, I have done this with many others regarding this very party. You may consider to correct the name spelling for”Neiltje Von Breuckelen/Neilty Von Brenckelen. She is of my family too. I have done extensive study on the Dutch, the names and patterns in Old Dutch, Middle Dutch, Modern Dutch, patronymics, diminutives, toponymics etc. My wife is Dutch, she is from Iowa but grew up in Artesia, Bellflower, Cerritos. She and I still have many relatives there and in Chino and Ontario California which all of these are heavily populated with Dutch. We also live in the San Joaquin Valley where in the 1950’s and forward many many Dutch have moved their dairy operations. I have access to many Dutch speakers from the Dutch churches we are affiliated with and many from both of our families. I approach and ask often in regards to Netherlander topics, most often the language.

    In my studies, there is none other than two habitational places named “Breukelen” the writing of Breukelen is of modern Dutch, albeit but still has been used since the 1650’s. The words can also be bruijken leen, although, this is two words but it does relate to Breukelen New Amsterdam circa 1638 and not to the habitational place in Utrecht near Amsterdam, which is part of the municipality of Maarsen today. In my view and study, our person can only be “Neeltje van Breukelen” who is said to be born in Harlingen in the Netherlands. I have never seen the record but if she is born in Harlingen but is a van Breukelen, perhaps she has a familial association to the habitational place. Neil or even a diminutive as Neilty or Neiltje is not Dutch, surely it could be anglicized but my people state she most likely comes from a father named Cornelia or a mother named Cornelia if she is a first child, otherwise, the names come and descend from grandparents next. Also in this period in Dutch history, many females retained their given names. In shipping records she may have been listed this way the same as her son may have been as he is known at the christening of his first child in New Amsterdam as Jan Jansen van Harlingen. She surely is not a German, Saxon or Palatinate as there are no places there of anything remotely especially since Breukelen in Utrecht is on record, one exception is a place called Broekle/Broekel with the umlauts included.

    In Utrecht you will find often these spellings of which they are all of three places, in the same area near the river Vecht. Breukel, Breukelen, Breukele, Breukelveen and Breukklerveen, on the oldest maps, Breukel and Breuckelen are of dominance. Her name when spelled Von Breuckelen or Von Brenckelen have showed up since the 1990’s when internet genealogy spurred many a writings. If your posting came partially from John Otto Solis, then I can understand for what I believe is information in error. I have tried to reach him to no avail. Of importance and as a source; Breukel, Breukelen, Nieuwersluyce, Nieuwenroy and Utrecht, all in the immediate area are mentioned in the book, “The History of the Wars of Flanders” by Cardinal Guido Bentivoglio and translated into English by Henry Carey, Earl of Monmouth. This is a compilation of over 500 pages and will be found at the back of the book in a section titled “A Continuation of the History of the Wars of Flanders” page 23 with D2 marked at the bottom of the page. Can be accessed and read online. Again, no criticism to you but if you research some in regards, you may come to the same conclusion. Your work is good and much of it regarding my dads mother’s side is what I have on file, (grandmother was born a Post in 1898). I like you Mark are a native Californian, born in San Diego California in 1959. I hope this blog, ancestry or writing is still being administered to. Hopefully we can converse. Thank you again Jess,

  6. G.S. Meiningen's avatar G.S. Meiningen says:

    Typo in previous comment response, if Neeltje was a first born and named after her father, he would have been Cornelis. Auto correct changed it and then I reviewed to correct it from the feminine Cornelia. Thanks, Jess

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